[Corporations] Re: Resolutions you might recommend voters take to their precinct meetings??.

[Bruce Hunter]

WHOAHHHHH, Rand!

How, of a sudden, did your complaint against 'anti-immigration' get
sleezily morphed into 'anti-immigrant'?

What kind of slimy trick are you trying to pull here, anyway?

My forebears --Scotch-Irish-German-Swede-- came to this then-'pristine'
new land primarily because of the OVERpopulation/OVERconsumption ogre had
pretty much destroyed the quality of life in their own respective
countries.

SOOOooo...what are we gonna do about the same thing happening HERE???

Your insinuating that we 'anti-immigration' folks are really
'anti-immigrant' is a real 'hit below the belt' !

Your apology and further explorations --at root levels-- of the problem
wd be appreciated~

Bruce Hunter, Dallas, TX
On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:25:32 -0800 Rand  Knox <rknox at autobuyology.org>
writes:
> The anti-immigrant folks seem to forget that population stabilication 
> is
> more likely furthered by pro-imigration policies -- assuming that a 
> "better"
> standard of living (assuming jobs are available here and not 
> undersold
> off-shore) should lead to fewer births...
> 
> Rand
> ReDemocracy
> http://www.autobuyology.org/car15.html
> 
> on 2/24/04 10:59 AM, David Orr at glencanyon at comcast.net wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I am new to this list.  I have been following the discussion with 
> interest.
> > When I saw Bruce's comments, I had a negative reaction to some of 
> them, and
> > I want to share with folks why I feel this way.
> > 
> > The statements "Stabilize human populations at or below current 
> levels,"
> > "Respect Natural limitations on Population Growth and Urban 
> Sprawl," and
> > especially "Freeze immigration at 'Replacement/Exchange' levels or 
> lower"
> > are concepts being pushed by the anti-immigration movement, which 
> is NOT
> > anti-corporate but ironically is supported by the interests of 
> many
> > multinational corporations that profit from the exploitation of 
> the land,
> > resources, and people of many foreign nations.  That exploitation, 
> in turn,
> > drives migration.
> > 
> > These three policy lines are the rhetorical currency of the same 
> folks who
> > are trying to turn the Sierra Club into an anti-immigration group. 
>  Check it
> > out: www.susps.org .
> > 
> > So my question is, what does the anti-immigration movement have to 
> do with
> > holding corporations accountable?  It seems to be inconsistent 
> with what I
> > thought this list is about.  But if I have that wrong, then I must 
> be on the
> > wrong list!  I'd appreciate clarification.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > David Orr
> > Sierrans for Human Rights
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 2/25/04 12:08 AM, "Bruce Hunter" <earthlife at juno.com> wrote:
> > 
> > We, the_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Party of _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _support
> > legislation that would--
> > 
> > 1) Stabilize human populations at or below current levels.
> > As our continually growing population becomes increasingly 
> dependent upon
> > a shrinking body of finite natural resources-- clean air, fresh 
> water,
> > fish, timber, topsoil, oil, gas and the many disappearing and 
> endangered
> > species whose importance to humans is not yet fully understood or
> > appreciated-- we believe it is now time to develop a national 
> campaign
> > for stabilizing our population/consumption at or below present 
> levels--
> > moderate levels comfortably sustainable with our own natural 
> energy
> > resources;
> > We advocate educational and government support for encouraging the 
> young
> > to better understand the connection between planetary 
> stewardship,
> > reproductive responsibility and good citizenship, and we support
> > government provision of financial and/or other incentives for each 
> young
> > person to marry no earlier than age 21and to become a parent to 
> two or
> > fewer children;
> > 
> > <snip>
> > 
> > 5) Respect Natural limitations on Population Growth and Urban 
> Sprawl
> > RECOGNIZING the impossibility of controlling population growth in 
> a
> > democratic society and seeing that increasing human population 
> means
> > countless species will ultimately suffer extreme shortages of 
> various
> > natural resources the most basic of which are clean air and fresh 
> water,
> > we advocate allowing the planet's limited fresh water resources-- 
> fresh
> > water lakes, rain, snow, icebergs and aquifers-- to act as a 
> natural
> > brake on excessive human population by---
> > * placing a one-thousand dollar federal depletion tax on every new 
> water
> > meter manufactured, sold or used within our borders, 50% of which 
> is to
> > be reserved for matching funds for any city, water district, 
> county or
> > state which will add its own tax on new meters they permit to be 
> added to
> > their water systems, and
> > * prohibiting the building of any additional desalinization plants 
> by any
> > federal, state or other municipality or business entity which does 
> not
> > operate solely on solar power, and by phasing out all 
> desalinization
> > plants by year 2030/earlier.
> > 
> > <snip>
> > 
> > 9) Freeze immigration at 'Replacement/Exchange' levels or lower
> > REALIZING that USAans burn a disproportionate amount of the 
> world's
> > shrinking oil supplies, and UNDERSTANDING that this is widely 
> recognized
> > --and strongly resented -- by millions of people in other lands, 
> IN ORDER
> > to help effect a general reduction of humankind's overall 
> consumption of
> > oil, gas and coal, the burning of which are largely responsible 
> for
> > global warming and for the toxic emissions which are harmful to 
> all
> > living things, and TO FACILITATE bringing our own nation's human
> > population down to such size as will effect a 50% or higher 
> reduction in
> > our annual oil consumption, we call for a moratorium on 
> immigration,
> > except for on an "equal trade" basis with other nations and we 
> urge all
> > other nations to adopt this same policy as to international 
> migrations
> > and population reduction, at least until the trend toward global 
> warming
> > has been significantly reduced and/or clearly reversed.
> > 
> > <snip>
> > 
> > 
> > 
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